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20 May 2009 @ 08:41 am
Obligatory Star Trek blather  
Overall, I enjoyed the movie.  The way they rebooted the franchise was palatable enough, and now they have pretty much a clean slate to work with from here on out.  I will certainly go see the next one.

The thing I liked most [as most people seemed to] was the old characters portrayed by new actors.  Honestly, Kirk was by far the weakest of the bunch.  Bones was amazing, Uhura, Spock, and Sulu weren't bad, Chekov and Scotty were slightly over the top.

Plot holes were enormous.  The thing most disconcerting to me was the promotion of Kirk to captaincy of this huge vessel directly from cadet status.  Totally not believable.  No explanation, even of the most outlandish sort, for red matter.  The acceptance and acquiescence of the crew of this group of toddlers taking command and control of their ship.  Not going to happen.

Not to say the old series and movies did not have their issues, so I guess I can let most of it go.  Another plus is that this will bring more folks to appreciate the Star Trek universe, although I am sure the purists will generally shun the newbs, as is often the case when fringe groups get pulled back to the mainstream.
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seawasp: Arrival HKFseawasp on May 20th, 2009 03:03 pm (UTC)
Well, on the promotion:

1) He would've been more than a cadet -- it was effectively graduation day, which is why ALL the students were already assigned to a starship. There was just that little protest over his passing the Kobayashi Maru.

2) It's actually a very standard military adventure ploy. It all followed proper military chain-of-command. The Captain designated Spock first officer and left him in command, then was taken out of chain of command, so Spock inherits the seat. Spock, acting on the prior Captain's initiative, designates Kirk second in command, and so when Spock removes himself from duty, it devolved upon Kirk, Spock having failed to designate any replacement for Kirk or officially remove him from the chain of command.

In more standard ship-vs-ship Hornbloweresque military adventure, of course, you just keep killing off the more senior officers until the midshipman is in command, but the same principle applies.
fatbaldguy60fatbaldguy60 on May 20th, 2009 03:56 pm (UTC)
He was effectively a graduate, so yes, he is a line officer. I have no issue with #1.

I understand the scenario to get Kirk in command. David Feintuch's [excellent, IMHO] Seafort series does something similar. My problem is that after the emergency that gave Kirk command is over it is a very long stretch that he would be given command of the same vessel. Since he was a captain, he ought to get a command, but something smaller is really more realistic.

Then again, as I often say, it is a movie, and I did like it. I think it says something about how geeky we all are that we like to talk about the details like this as if it were real.
seawaspseawasp on May 20th, 2009 04:13 pm (UTC)

Well, I see it as a matter of him having performed such signal service, and demonstrated a grasp of command, that the argument behind closed doors went something like "The rest of the crew he worked with is already assigned to that ship, they worked well with him, and after him basically saving the Federation, assigning him any lesser ship would be insulting and be separating a group that performed admirably under pressure."